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The French government has moved to ban WikiLeaks from French servers, part of a series of moves threatening the group's presence on the internet.

Industry Minister Eric Besson says it's "unacceptable" for French servers to host the site, which "violates the secret of diplomatic relations and puts people protected by diplomatic secret in danger."

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The French government has moved to ban WikiLeaks from French servers, part of a series of moves threatening the group's presence on the internet.

Industry Minister Eric Besson says it's "unacceptable" for French servers to host the site, which "violates the secret of diplomatic relations and puts people protected by diplomatic secret in danger."

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The American company that hosted the website wikileaks.org stopped late yesterday after cyber attacks threatened the rest of its network. WikiLeaks responded by moving to a Swiss domain name, wikileaks.ch — and calling on activists for support. Two companies host the Swiss domain name, one of which is in France.

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doru001 1 day ago

The cables in the latest Wikileaks release "date from 1966 up until the end of February this year" (from Wikileaks, it took me 20s to find it). For my country there is one single cable in that release. My country is Romania, a NATO member with an important geogstrategical position. There are American military basis in Romania. It was a transit point for American military resources during the war in Iraq. Romania neighbors Serbia, and it allowed American military air passage during the American intervention there. Yet Wikileaks published one single cable, which addresses the issue of ... adoptions. It is obvious that Wikileaks has handpicked cables which do not endanger anybody, but are relevant for the correct information of the citizens. Those who say otherwise do not know how to use the Internet to verify their arguments, and therefore they miss completely the relevance of this story, as I am going to show you in the next paragraphs.

We do everything on the Internet. We work, communicate, buy and sell, manage our bank accounts, make friends, live virtual lives. We do everything on the Internet, except politics. We still read newspapers and vote every four years. The distance between the way our societies function and the way we control our governments could not be bigger. Our societies are fast, well informed, active 24 hours every day. We control our governments every four years, through a yes or no question! This difference means that our governments are on the loose! We should use the Internet to monitor more real time public data, to discuss new politic strategies, and to make more real time political decisions, which our governments should be forced to take into account.

This is a problem of power sharing. There is a new world, the Internet, and some people will control it. Our governments moved in, secret organizations moved in, only we, the people, are missing. If we fail to control the Internet and to use it to manage our societies then a strong imbalance of power will result. Powerful people will make public decisions against the common interest of the members of our societies, and, as a result, our civilization will be in danger to free fall. The Wikileaks story shows that the revolution has started. We should make it succeed as nonviolently and as smoothly as possible.

Flag Like ReplyReply Karl 2 days ago

How did Julian Assange think it would look when wikileaks was cleared of all the previous myriad of leaks (Which I enjoyed browsing through) and now all you get is video clips of American troops quite casually killing civilians, the Iraq war logs, and a quarter of a million Diplomatic cables.

It really does look like an all out witch hunt towards the USA. Considering the CIA has no problem deliberately infecting people with Syphilis for scientific research (as they did in the 1940s I would have been a lot more gradual with the US leaks and they would not have been treated any more important than any other leak.

The words "Red Rag" and "Bull" come to mind
Flag 1 person liked this. Like ReplyReply Remdataram 2 days ago

Our thanks to Wikileaks for revealing in the public domain the definition of Democracy in America and France - Totalitarianism.

Or is Totalitarianism the new definition of Democracy?

Has anyone tried to browse the Wikileaks site here, in the 'truly democratic' UK?
Flag doru001 and 3 more liked this Like ReplyReply jim2509 2 days ago

Julian Assange "You do not have to say anything....
It's time to pay the fiddler.
Flag Like ReplyReply Ses999 2 days ago

The wiki provides freedom of speech and does not censor persons that post. I think wiki provides a patriotic service in letting us know the integrity of government and their abuse to the people that they are meant to serve.
Flag Ian C. Purdie - Sydney and 5 more liked this Like ReplyReply susangalea 2 days ago

Well, I am still free to disagree. I think that freedom is not to abuse and cause trouble just because you can. When someone reports this kind of comment then it takes manpower away from serious investigations and for all you know that could be a bona fide announcement one day on twitter. Thanks for your shout, but I chose to disagree totally with you.
Flag Like ReplyReply susangalea 2 days ago in reply to susangalea

This comment above is a response to another poster. Thank you moderator, for completely screwing up this thread. Or someone, or something. Or is this paranoia real??????
Flag Like ReplyReply susangalea 2 days ago

Hmmm.... fish and chips sounds good to me....
Flag Like ReplyReply susangalea 2 days ago in reply to susangalea

Moderator, please put the comments in the correct order! No censorship by stealth editing please....
Flag Like ReplyReply Ian C. Purdie - Sydney 2 days ago

Interesting and informative article by Sreeram Chaulia in Asia Times Online today, "The man who knows too much".

Sreeram Chaulia makes several important points:

1. "The timing of the latest Interpol high alert to nab Assange on the request of the Swedish authorities, for alleged involvement in sexual molestation, appears extremely political.
As a result of this diversionary gambit, the whistle-blowing international fugitive's image has been spun into that of a digital muckraker who must be silenced and deactivated on some pretext or another."

2. "Conservatives in the US are literally baying for Assange’s blood, depicting him as an evil anti-authority figure who is the enemy of world order and stability. But the sustained critique from the high offices of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton downwards lacks credibility because Assange is under no moral or legal obligation to serve and safeguard American interests, alliances or wars".

3. "To demand that WikiLeaks and its maverick leader, who has gone into hiding, be punished or muzzled because their actions are endangering the lives of American soldiers and their local collaborators in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere is akin to arguing that the US is fighting these wars as a global public good and in the interest of the whole world".

All good stuff. Google: "The man who knows too much+Atimes"
Flag susangalea and 12 more liked this Like ReplyReply awakenedmind 2 days ago

My post has been censored -
Flag Ian C. Purdie - Sydney and 1 more liked this Like ReplyReply Citizen Bidet 2 days ago in reply to awakenedmind

One of mine has too!
Flag Ian C. Purdie - Sydney liked this Like ReplyReply Ian C. Purdie - Sydney 2 days ago in reply to awakenedmind

Now how come that doesn't surprise me. I wonder how long my post immediately above will survive.

Ah freedom of speech when no one is actually slandering nor using inappropriate language.
Flag 3 people liked this. Like ReplyReply Georgievich 2 days ago in reply to Ian C. Purdie - Sydney

I have been trying without success to post an excerpt from antiwar,com on the broken condom behind the Swedish charge against Assange. Not quite sure what is going on.
Flag Ian C. Purdie - Sydney and 1 more liked this Like ReplyReply rob 2 days ago

The charges against Assange are rediculous. He had sex with two different women over a four day period. All parties say it was consenual. However, later on one of the women finds out about the other younger and prettier woman and complains that she was raped and molested because he refused to wear a condom. This violates an obscure swedish law... sex without condoms. Later the women dropped all charges but Swedish prosecutors refused to drop the case (no doubt pressured to do so by the US).
Flag msfranster and 10 more liked this Like ReplyReply bob idle 2 days ago

I tend to support Wikileaks. There is no need to treat Assange as some sort of dangerous terrorist, and the Americans are making themselves look a bit silly by doing so. Attempts to bring charges against Assange for some sort of sexual offence in Sweden cannot be believed either in the circumstances.
If I saw a poll asking do you support Wikileaks and Assange, yes or no? I'd vote yes.

Flag Ian C. Purdie - Sydney and 13 more liked this Like ReplyReply Robin Baldock 2 days ago

In the Hindu calendar we are drawing to an end of the age of the Kali Yuga, thousands of years long, it is sometimes called the age when truth is punished and lies rewarded...
Flag Ian C. Purdie - Sydney and 8 more liked this Like ReplyReply doru001 2 days ago

I believe that our governments are long overdue to change from the Second Wave to the Third one. See "The Third Wave" by Alvin Toffler. First Wave, agriculture, main asset land. Second Wave, industry, main asset raw materials and markets. Standardization, mass production, nation states. Third Wave, main asset information. Modularity, flexibility, speed. According to Toffler (this was back in the 80's!), we are supposed to take over some government functions, to control our governments more closely, to make public decisions online in real time (surveys, voting, temporary action groups). Using the Internet, which appeared in the 90's.

We should try to make this political change as painless as possible. For us, I mean :).
Flag 1 person liked this. Like ReplyReply Citizen Bidet 2 days ago

The mask has slipped; the true nature of the beast revealed. This is one of those rare moments when the illusion of democracy and the participation of the people in the political process is revealed as a sham! You don't have freedom of speech. Never have had, never will have! Work, consume, pay taxes...that's all you're good for. Now get back on the wheel and shut up!
America, your 1st Amendment is a sham. France, you have a government comprised of cowards, Britain, the American poodle...enough said. Sweden...you should be ashamed of yourselves!
Democracy, ha, ha, ha.
Flag Ian C. Purdie - Sydney and 27 more liked this Like ReplyReply ebbi 1 day ago in reply to Citizen Bidet

excellent .
Flag Like ReplyReply uanime5 2 days ago

I wonder how long it will be before Wikileaks ends up on a server that the US can't shut down because the country the server is in hates the US. Could Iran, North Korea, China, or Russia end up being the new host of a website dedicated to freedom of speech?
Flag rob and 8 more liked this Like ReplyReply ExPatJoe 2 days ago in reply to uanime5

Time to start the sweepstake on when Chavez offers hosting facilities. More likely than your quartet, who hate the internet, let alone Wikileaks!
Flag 8 people liked this. Like ReplyReply ebbi 2 days ago

national security is just an excuse,fury ,humiliation and insults are the real cause for assange´s arrest warrant. now is the time to support assange , this man has put himself under a lot of pressure and threat , its crucial to show the crooks and the charlatans who is the boss, its the people !!!

Flag Ian C. Purdie - Sydney and 16 more liked this Like ReplyReply thruthseeker 2 days ago

If they have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear,
Flag ebbi and 15 more liked this Like ReplyReply s0crat3s 2 days ago

Half truths? Truths? Lies? Deception? Misinformation, Opinions......... Why and why now?
Flag 4 people liked this. Like ReplyReply smugidiots 2 days ago

Assange will go down in history books.
Flag d00d00 and 15 more liked this Like ReplyReply d00d00 2 days ago in reply to smugidiots

unlike most of his opponents...
Flag rob and 10 more liked this Like ReplyReply Georgievich 2 days ago in reply to d00d00

No, they will go into the history books too, but as evil bast**ds.
Flag rob and 12 more liked this Like ReplyReply Christy Lewis 2 days ago

This proves one thing to me. Governments the world over are as serving of the rich elites and power-brokers as each other, be they democracies or dictatorships. It is only the lines drawn in the sand by the people of each nation that limit their atrocities. For this reason the travesties of justice and decency committed by governments are truly reflective of what the populace will tolerate.

We get the governments we deserve? An unwelcome message? Maybe. Ask yourselves, 'What are you willing to put up with?'
Flag Enigmie and 22 more liked this Like ReplyReply fingerdust 2 days ago

Is is becoming obvious through their attempts to shut down Wikileaks that these governments have little comprehension of how the internet works. They are merely disrupting service, and in the process, making themselves look impotent, ignorant and of course, like they've got something to hide.
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